corygilbert wrote:If you haven't already, buy live, you will get more out of it and appreciate greater returns in your efforts, both now and later.
BUT,
keep demoing renoise, it's a superb tracker, what you are doing is far from coding, but i understand the learning curve. The qualities that Renoise has over ableton are few but very important for the style of music you are seeking to create.
The timing in Live is great, don't let anyone tell you otherwise, but there is an inherent limit to the resolution of events that a midi system of any kind can give you. And before I get yelled at here, i'm not just talking about latency and the accuracy of playing in notes to live. i'm also reffering to the ability of a tracker to quickly (once you've learned the methods) of entering trigger information and changing elements such as start times, sample lengths and repeat variations.
Very important things for very fast intricite drums.
You can do these things in live, I and many do, but I still use renoise for the above reasons and because the interface does take your mind out of the paridigm of DaW and into a more sculpting type of attitude in reference to your beats.
Bottome line for me:
Ableton rocks, keep working and digging and asking questions here, you will not be disappointed.
Keep demoing renoise, it will keep you thinking in different terms and allow you to go more resolute with intricate/crisp types of drums.
Besides if you begin to develop your skills in REnoise it's a might cheaper than ableton and you'll already be off to a great start with a great program.
Oh and remember, nobody wants to hear you chop up the Amen break,
we've actually run through all the permutations of slice/cut of this great break.
Like monkeys with typewriters, for gods sake, he's heard us AMEN!!

Oh and just for the record, making glitchy/ breakcorish beats in ReNoise and importing the waves into Ableton is awesome, maybe chop it up in Recycle first?!!